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Comic 1426 - Succession Crisis

26th Oct 2016, 12:00 AM
Succession Crisis
Average Rating: 5 (13 votes)
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Dragonrider 26th Oct 2016, 12:02 AM edit delete reply

I do think that TeeDee and Noctis are evenly matched in sarcasm and destructive ability. However I doubt Noctis would express the desire to collect a "Bag of Dicks" for a comrade in arms who is in the hospital.
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
Really? Noctis is unfailingly polite, restrained, thoughtful and well-spoken, while TeeDee is often abrasive, crude, hostile, and prone to verbally lash out with no justification whatsoever. They might be evenly matched in verbally destructive capabilities, but Noctis doesn't seem to be close to TeeDee in her desire to lash out with wanton verbal abuse.

Noctis seems (to me) to be a student of verbal aikido, while TeeDee would seem to be a student of verbal krav maga.

EDIT: I see you removed "desire" (for destruction) from your post -- so now, of course, I do not disagree.
Dragonrider 26th Oct 2016, 12:33 AM edit delete reply

Yes I originally wrote destructive desire, and then analyzed that a realized I wanted Destructive Capabilities as a much better choice. They remind me of sisters, would insult and beat hell out of each other but stand back to back against all comers.
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 1:11 AM edit delete reply
I expect TeeDee could have that kind of a relationship with several people. (We've already seen something much like that with Marcus, for example.) But Noctis (as I read her) would not. It seems likely to me that if Noctis and TeeDee ever took arms against each other, only one would leave the field of battle.

Noctis' character seems much more to me like one of Dickson's Dorsai, about which we have this quote:

"Dogs - even mad dogs - fight, and the losing dog, if he can, runs away. But no wolf runs. For a wolf wins every fight but one, and in that one, he dies." -- Gordon R. Dickson

This is, of course, completely untrue of actual wolves, but (IMHO) wonderfully evocative. ^_^
Dragonrider 26th Oct 2016, 1:37 AM edit delete reply

Ah Yes the Dorsai, possibly, if not probably, on a level of The Notebook of Lazarus Long.
I doubt that they would take arms up think it would be physical as the confrontation between Dolly and Kali was, a series of physical blows meant to inflict damage with out permanent harm.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 2:21 PM edit delete reply

AT Gil-- I think you are more or less on point with the verbal skills :D

However Noctis could make Teedee feel VERY stupid very quickly should she desire it.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:12 AM edit delete reply

Teedee is worried.. Her one defining trait is that the more worried .. scared or angry she gets the more her mouth runs.. She puffs up to be more aggressive it is a negative trait.

In the revamp we lowered her " Bigotry " Of Humans to a manageable level. After talking with real EMTs she never would have been allowed to be in SR with that kind of Bigotry .. it was poor writing on our part and that has been corrected.. Shes still foul mouthed and snarky. and will continue to be so.
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
"Lowered", sure. I just would have expected (all other things being equal) that it would still affect target-selection for the snark to prioritize Maxus over Noctis. Picking the easiest target, rather than the more satisfying target, just strikes me as shading (in an admittedly subtle way) more towards bullying, which was not a trait I associated with TeeDee.
Fairportfan 26th Oct 2016, 12:28 AM edit delete reply

I wanna be Teedee when i grow up.

Except for the disdain for human sexuality.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:13 AM edit delete reply

hehe.. thanks for being here Fairport!
DLKmusic 26th Oct 2016, 12:38 AM edit delete reply

I actually see this as the start of a friendship between TeeDee and Noctis. And for TeeDee to alter her view some on us meatbags, now that she is face to face with pure machine...
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 12:52 AM edit delete reply
I actually thought the writing was slightly weaker here. There's nothing in TeeDee's established character to justify her disdain for, and gratuitous abuse of, Noctis, since Noctis is obviously non-human and previously TeeDee has only shown her generalized and non-specific contempt for humans. If Noctis had actually done anything to impede TeeDee in her duty, or had threatened Ada, or had been aggressive in any way, then there might be some justification for it. This just makes TeeDee look (in my opinion) 'rabid' -- i.e., lashing out at anything and everything she can just to reassure herself that she is bigger and tougher than anyone else around her. Hmmm.... I understand the Praetorians will have some openings. If she just pads her resume out with a few criminal atrocities, she could probably qualify. (Other than the whole 'being an android' thing.)
HiFranc 26th Oct 2016, 2:17 AM edit delete reply

Actually, I can see where they're both coming from:

Noctis is trying to find the right word because conveying information at the same time as not wanting to ignite the war again.

TeeDee has a patient that needs urgent medical care, is used to dealing with blunt information and expects androids to express the facts quickly. From her point of view, Noctis is a thespian who is trying to make a drama out of a crisis.
sigpig 26th Oct 2016, 10:41 AM edit delete reply

FWIR, TeeDee is snarky and sarcastic to everybody - human and android (and probably robot/drone) alike. Who else have we seen that had a similar combination of snark, sarcasm, and instant deadly mayhem? I'll give you a hint - she was a Cassian...

(I also think she would have gone into "friendly" competition with TeeDee over the number of dicks they could bag...)
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
Now that would be Malati, and I agree with you that they would have gotten along like a house on fire. ^_^ (Possibly literally.)
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 2:00 PM edit delete reply

The would.. but everyone would think they hated each other from the amount of snark.
Tokyo Rose 26th Oct 2016, 6:41 PM edit delete reply

I hope nobody's forgetting that Noctis is Nova Roman, and the extraction team is here because Nova Roma kidnapped Lynn, and Teedee and Ada have had to fight their way through quite a few Nova Roman soldiers and one Cassian to get to this point...
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 7:15 PM edit delete reply
True, but they fought beside Nova Roman soldiers (irregulars) as well, offering their (shielded) bodies as moving cover at one point. So that just shows how messed up everything is. ^_^ (Ref. here)
Dragonrider 26th Oct 2016, 1:41 AM edit delete reply

@DLKmusic I fully agree.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:14 AM edit delete reply

Actually I could see them sparring on both real and verbal arenas on a constant basis..

Re: Malati and Teedee.
highly irregular 26th Oct 2016, 2:23 PM edit delete reply
Shoot, thought I was over Malati… (goes off to weep)
mjkj 26th Oct 2016, 1:10 AM edit delete reply

Great update, thank you, CentComm. =)

...and TeeDee seems to take her job of getting help for Acantha and getting Lynn to safety very serious ... and the interruption is annoying her (especially since she is not allowed to use her little baby on them), no wonder she lashed out... ;)

Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
I am sure that she finds it irritating, but not sure why she'd go after Noctis. The pair didn't even impede the New Trojans. TeeDee challenged them, not the reverse. And I would understand if she was reflexively insulting to Maxus, because he's human. But Noctis has done nothing but provide information and accompany Maxus -- but she gets the slam ("pasty").

But, as always, the creatrices know their characters better than I. These are just my opinions.
Timotheus 26th Oct 2016, 3:15 AM edit delete reply

I believe I should point out that TeeDee has a long and storied past of insulting just about everyone including Ada at all times. May I recall for you Dr. Denmark's commentary on TeeDee's reputation when they first met way back at the start. Apparently TeeDee is just like this with anyone she feels peeved with, animal, vegetable, or mineral.
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 3:35 AM edit delete reply
If you're arguing for the 'rabid' interpretation, @Timotheus, I won't dispute it. I just felt like we had reason to hope for somewhat better from TeeDee.

She points her weapon at a pair of (armed) chance-met strangers and orders them to stand still, then gets irritated at them for delaying her. Ok.
Timotheus 26th Oct 2016, 5:20 AM edit delete reply

Not so much "rabid" as that in spite of having a basically good heart she's uncontrollably mouthy.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 1:54 PM edit delete reply

Ill Point out one very very hevely armored and armed stranger and one Cassian!
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 2:43 PM edit delete reply
An interesting point. From a New Troy perspective what is a "Cassian", and how would it be perceived as different from any other Mark 3 military chassis? We know why the Romans regard them with awe and fear, but I don't see why TeeDee would necessarily react to a Cassian any differently than she would react to (for example) Officer Ray? Or one of Dr. Silver's advanced probes? Are the Cassians such legendary bogeymen that all the citizens of all the other city states know and fear their advanced combat capabilities? (As well as recognize them on sight?)

It seems like (unless you know Cassians), that just boils down to "two armed strangers, one in visible armor".

And, as noted, I understand her being on edge -- with what that brings. I'm just slightly puzzled by the way her focus seemed to fix more or less immediately on Noctis, when it is obvious that Maxus is in charge.

It's no big deal. I've probably gone on about this longer than I should. My apologies.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:16 AM edit delete reply

True Teedee is truly equal opportunity insult-er. And she loves running her mouth.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:15 AM edit delete reply

They DO have a perfect record to worry about .. And Teedee is not going to let Acantha ruin that!
Dragonrider 26th Oct 2016, 1:44 AM edit delete reply

Just to restate an observation I made early yesterday morning after comment shut down on the last page;

You know who we haven't seen and has been tracking Prince Douchebag, Miriako, Isn't it about time for her to show up grab Julia and save Acantha? Or will Julia, Miriaco and Company join our Merry Band of Mayhem and fly to Atta for their fire free Med Facilities?
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 2:04 AM edit delete reply
Well, I'm not sure of the details, but I definitely agree with you, @Dragonrider, about the main principle. However, I suspect we will need to wait for a few pages. Tokyo Rose hasn't done her talking head thing, but when she does I think we can be pretty confident that she knows where Miraiko is, and that Miraiko knows where Julia is. So, once people get around to the free, open, and honest exchange of informa...

Oh, wait. Never mind. ^_^
Dragonrider 26th Oct 2016, 3:00 AM edit delete reply

"So, once people get around to the free, open, and honest exchange of informa..."
Uh what you smoking Willis? It's gotta be worth a bunch.
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 3:38 AM edit delete reply
Yes, there was a reason I didn't bother to finish that thought. ^_^
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:09 AM edit delete reply

Actually you will see them again .. its just not time yet.
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
Someone needs to pick up Kyle, after all. ^_^ There must be some reason why he hasn't caught up with them yet, since he isn't hampered by lugging along a critically wounded princess or a crippled guardian.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 1:51 PM edit delete reply

Right now hes busy working..
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 2:31 PM edit delete reply
Ah. I thought they had got things to the point where Aeneas' self-repair systems were adequate to complete the repairs without further intervention. Thank you.
Dragonrider 26th Oct 2016, 11:26 PM edit delete reply

I was kind of hoping he would run afoul of the injured Murderturd on his way to the hanger, unfortunately just like Wesley Crusher and rubber checks he keeps bouncing up.
Mark_L_A 26th Oct 2016, 7:45 AM edit delete reply

Didn't rose in Nox's head already say the apocalypse has been averted? Or is this the before update in the timeline?

and Cent, your mastery of the visual art hasn't diminished by your time off.

And Rose, your text and invective is still par excellence.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:01 AM edit delete reply

that was a guest page.. :D
chk 26th Oct 2016, 11:05 AM edit delete reply

Thank you CentComm. I just love this art.
Centcomm 26th Oct 2016, 11:08 AM edit delete reply

aww thanks!
Gilrandir 26th Oct 2016, 4:27 PM edit delete reply
By the way, is it fair to assume Dolly and Lynn filled in Ada and TeeDee about some events 'off-camera', while they were walking? Otherwise, how would Ada and TeeDee know it was Kali that incinerated Prince Decimus? I think they came on-scene just after the conflagration made both bodies unidentifiable, and they immediately focused on attending the living.
Tokyo Rose 26th Oct 2016, 6:43 PM edit delete reply

They did fill details in off-camera, yes.
Matt Knab 26th Oct 2016, 4:56 PM edit delete reply

Well, let's not just give up because there MIGHT be a time limit.
KarToon12 26th Oct 2016, 7:27 PM edit delete reply

I'd say they have just enough time to run out the door and jump from a wicked cool explosion, action movie style.
antrik 26th Oct 2016, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
I'm beginning to wonder whether Noctis is actually suffering from something like Asperger's... Thus far I was taking her overly pedantic speech (along with the deadpan expression) as an act to perplex others; but the fact that she won't turn it off even when under visible anxiety -- and it tells a lot when anything is visible on her -- suggests that it might indeed be involuntary?
HiFranc 27th Oct 2016, 3:34 AM edit delete reply

I take it to be simply that, given the complex world of New Rome's politics, she weighs each word carefully to make the best of any situation. She's high enough to be a player but not so high that she can do what she likes.
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