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Comic 1493 - Time Crawls

26th Apr 2017, 12:00 AM
Time Crawls
Average Rating: 4.95 (22 votes)
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SeanR 26th Apr 2017, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
That nurse looks like she could just walk into the autoclave and receive no damage to her shell.
Mark_L_A 26th Apr 2017, 12:06 AM edit delete reply

Considering what Watchdog looked like, I wonder if this is actually a Black Angel Combat Unit specifically to keep an eye on Noctis.
SeanR 26th Apr 2017, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
I think it's more a matter of a limited selection of models in DAZ within any reasonable given budget. The creators already purchased the model, and it suits. There may not be another suitable model for DAZ at any price.
Ictuan 26th Apr 2017, 4:22 PM edit delete reply
So more donations are in order to get everyone new clothes.
Gilrandir 26th Apr 2017, 1:29 AM edit delete reply
The combination of speech balloons, behavior, and chassis for Florence makes me wonder if there is some foreshadowing going on, or just the artist looking to add some additional variety. Recall that "Watchdog" was presented only in the context of a virtual avatar within CeCi's cyberspace, so presentation of her as a blend of non-sentient robotic and unexpectedly sentient personality made sense (to me at least) as an abstract concept presented in visual form. I don't think we can necessarily draw any inferences from the similarities between Florence's physical appearance and Watchdog's virtual appearance.

Florence's chassis doesn't match any of the examples from the tech pages. (But then, neither did Francine's.) The crudity of it, the open seams, and the very distinctive eyes all (in my opinion) argue for Florence being an advanced positronic robot. On the other hand, the distinctive colored speech balloon, clothing, complex dialogue and initiative suggest that she is a synthbrained android in a chassis that might be the equivalent of a model 2 or a model 3A -- in which cosmetics have been sacrificed for economy and utility.

There are many other possible explanations, but most of them would seem to depend on Florence somehow being 'special' in some unique way such that the general principles don't apply to her. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what is revealed. The argument against it being solely a tool-driven decision on the part of the artist is that it seems likely the artist had all the DAZ models used to build the Tech page in the first place available to her. ^_^ She chose this one instead.
cattservant 26th Apr 2017, 12:06 AM edit delete reply

Awake and responsive.
megados 26th Apr 2017, 9:26 AM edit delete reply
Not quite yet.
SeanR 26th Apr 2017, 12:06 AM edit delete reply
Just read the hovertext.
Lynn should be a good friend and wait until she can watch those with Acantha. They already determined they share that interest.
Mark_L_A 26th Apr 2017, 12:16 AM edit delete reply

She could be binge watching back to the episode they watched together. So she is fully up to date in case Acantha forgot something or is confused.
The Old Scribe 26th Apr 2017, 12:10 AM edit delete reply

Noctis looks good in civvies. She seems more relaxed too.

And this, fellas and gals, is why Anesthesiologists get the big bucks. They, in essence, put you in suspension so you don't feel pain and stay still so the surgeon can do his or her thing. Having gone under the knife myself, I can appreciate their skills. My hat's off to the dude who invented anesthesia too.
DLKmusic 26th Apr 2017, 12:15 AM edit delete reply

I remember the Anesthesiologist for my surgery. He was a dour man without much to say... but I also remember him being the only Doctor that checked in on me the night before surgery to make sure my spirits were up and in good shape.

I never forgot that, GOD bless him!
Sheela 26th Apr 2017, 1:57 AM edit delete reply

Hah, sometimes it's the grumpy ones that surprise you the most. :)
TheSkulker 26th Apr 2017, 3:54 AM edit delete reply

That must have been in the old days. I had to check in at 5AM for a 2:00PM surgery. No "frivolous" extra overnight allowed!
Tokyo Rose 26th Apr 2017, 7:47 AM edit delete reply

A friend of mine has a brother-in-law who's an anesthesiologist who makes really good money. As he puts it, "I don't get paid to knock you out; I get paid to make sure you wake the hell back up again."
megados 26th Apr 2017, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
Well, that's an interesting look for Noctis. She wears it well though. She is understandably worried about getting her sword back.

Lynn is letting her impatience show. Both her and Noctis are concerned that Acantha is okay. Florence is doing a good job of allaying their concerns! She is a good use for this model . . fitting.
Sheela 26th Apr 2017, 1:58 AM edit delete reply

An athletic body with big boobs will always look good in a yoga outfit.
HiFranc 26th Apr 2017, 3:41 AM edit delete reply

I know that I was impatient at that age.
megados 26th Apr 2017, 9:11 AM edit delete reply
Sheela,that's mostly true. There was a lot of comments about putting her in pink lace and bows, which I really didn't think would happen. This looks a lot more suitable.

I was I impatient too, HiFranc, you are not alone! :)
Sheela 26th Apr 2017, 12:11 PM edit delete reply

To be fair, that discussion was mostly about what would happen if Lynn & Acantha went shopping and used her as a dress up doll. :D
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 12:41 PM edit delete reply
I never claimed she would look *good* in a frilly outfit -- it would just be a lot of fun :-)

Actually she probably doesn't look really well in any outfit using light colours (including the one she is wearing now): black suits her complexion much better :-)

(Other strong colours -- such as a dark blue for example -- might work too, though.)
megados 26th Apr 2017, 1:58 PM edit delete reply
Hahaha, yeah I know people were messing around. :D Actually , I think she looks good in what she has on, I am just more used to seeing her in her black body suit.
Mark_L_A 26th Apr 2017, 12:23 AM edit delete reply

Ok, third panel. The one of Acantha laying out. does it look a little off to anyone else or is it just me? It looks like her legs are REAAAAALLLLYYYY long compared to the rest of her body.


Unless that is a piece of medical equipment at the foot of the bed under the blanket.
Sheela 26th Apr 2017, 2:04 AM edit delete reply

Legs are long, y'know ?

They're usually about as long, as from the hips to the tip of the head - So this looks ´just about right.
ArgentTree 26th Apr 2017, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
Hey all-

Just a general artistic/modeling/rendering question... In the last frame, Lynn's shoulders look slightly raised/elevated from where they'd be in a relaxed position, and the body-to-shoulder crease looks high. (Not complaining or criticizing)... and I've seen this exact same issue in some of the character renderings in other comics and even some PC games, where it just looks like the joint is 'folded' kinda strange. Is that a limitation of the skeletal system or is that some other type of artifact?

Again- not criticizing or anything, quite curious as to what challenges are involved in the model construction/positioning and what fine-tuning options you have as an artist. :-)

Enjoying the strip. Keep up the good work! (Oh, and all of the puns, especially the egg ones... I never knew Tokyo Rose was such a punster!)
Tokyo Rose 26th Apr 2017, 8:02 AM edit delete reply

Lynn and Acantha, among other characters, are built on the base figure of Victoria 4*. Victoria 4 was designed with considerably better shoulder articulation compared to Victorias 1 through 3, but it still doesn't look quite right at some angles.

* A lot of the newer characters are built using Genesis/G2/G3 figures as a base, but some of the older ones just did NOT look right when Cent tried to rebuild them using the newer base figures.
Steven-Vincent 26th Apr 2017, 9:01 PM edit delete reply

Yes I know from experience what that is like. I just wasted 3 months trying to up-convert Liberty Lass from G2 to G3. Moving from V4 to G2 or 3 would be even more brutal.
Gilrandir 26th Apr 2017, 1:41 AM edit delete reply
Is there intended to be a distinction between "gene-printing" a replacement heart composed of tissue and "cloning" a heart? If they are different, presumably cloning would use actual cells from Acantha as the original seed stock and take much longer than using whatever 'gene-printing' is to customize an already existing tissue heart blank. Or they could just be two words for the same thing; but, Dr. Smolens used one term, and Lynn is using the other, so I am wondering if there are any story implications?
Tokyo Rose 26th Apr 2017, 8:15 AM edit delete reply

Keep in mind my weird habit of being aggravatingly realistic when it comes to dialogue; Lynn is being imprecise in her wording.

As you surmise:

- Genetic imprinting involves taking a ready-built tissue framework and "customizing" it with the patient's genetic code. The "blank" is tested and confirmed as functional even before it's customized. The patient will need to be on anti-rejection medication for a period of time to ensure the body does not attack the new organ; it is a perfect genetic match, but the "blank" tissues may trigger an immune response. This option is the standard for most short-notice transplant cases.

- Cloning involves growing the tissue "from scratch" with the patient's cells; this takes considerably longer, and there's a chance that the cloned organ will not be properly functional. However, a cloned organ is accepted by the patient's body from the word go, so no anti-rejection regimen is required. This is the preferred option when the timetable allows it.
Gilrandir 26th Apr 2017, 8:35 AM edit delete reply
I rather thought Lynn might be speaking "casually", but thank you for confirming.

Hypothetically, gene-printing could even use some kind of retrovirus to progressively replace the 'blank's' DNA with the owner's DNA. The first time period would represent the time needed for the conversion to proceed far enough that post-implantation rejection is manageable with medication. Theoretically (given sufficiently advanced magic tech) the process could continue until not only the DNA, but the cellular proteins had been replaced through organic cellular renewal processes, at which point there would be no need for any anti-rejection medication. Since the tissue cells which have the owner's DNA will be producing owner's proteins, and not 'blank' proteins.
SeanR 26th Apr 2017, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Okay.
I thought "gene printing" meant running cultured cells, taken from a bio-reactor, through a 3D printer. Something we're working on today.

Of course, I don't know how a 3D printer's supposed to align tissues. Striated and Cardiac muscle needs to lay a certain way to really be useful.

Of course, populating a bleached "scaffolding" organ with tissue is also something we're working on today.
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 12:50 PM edit delete reply
That was my first thought as well. On the other hand, I guess that's why it's called gene-*im*printing, not gene-printing...

It might be preferable, since I suspect a purely 3D-printed organ still needs some artificial materials for structural soundness -- just glueing together pre-grown cells probably doesn't result in an equally solid structure as when they are naturally growing together...
mjkj 26th Apr 2017, 1:43 AM edit delete reply

Wow, cool look - I like Florence and her glowy eyes... =)

The interaction between her and Noctis - priceless... =D

...Noctis is really looking great... =D

...and Florence having dark pink hair... are you trying to tell us something...?

I wonder though where Ada is...

@alt text: ...of course she would watch that - it is tradition after all... ;)

SeanR 26th Apr 2017, 9:52 AM edit delete reply
Well, there goes my jab.
The Nightingale does not have black plumage.
Time for a new theory.
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
The glowy eyes are seriously creepy IMHO...

Now if she worked in another profession, I'd say it's her choice -- but considering that a nurse is supposed to reassure patients, not freak them out, it seems an odd choice here. And it seems even even more odd choice to assign someone looking like that to Acantha, considering her cultural background...
All the Pickles 26th Apr 2017, 3:34 PM edit delete reply

It doesn't seem so odd to me. Acantha is used to androids that are very obviously not human. It seems like she'd be more comfortable with the weird skin and glowing eyes than some of the other androids that look perfectly human except for their eye color.
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 4:18 PM edit delete reply
She is used to obviously non-human androids being terrifying.
megados 26th Apr 2017, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
In a place like New Troy, I wouldn't think someone like Florence would be unusual in almost any setting. Everyone is used to androids and robots being the norm. Acantha is used to very distinctive appearances. I see no problem whatsoever.

@mjkj, I suspect Ada has finally gone to her debriefing. She probably won't be long.
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
Again, Acantha is *used* to distinctive looks -- but she associates them with cold-blooded brutal murderers working for her psycho brother.
megados 27th Apr 2017, 12:01 AM edit delete reply
Not really, they are guardians, and they never mistreated her. As it stands, they more or less work for her now. She has nothing to be worried about. She is well used to them being around. She has no reason to be upset. I think she will be more startled finding herself in New Troy!
guest1 26th Apr 2017, 2:17 AM edit delete reply
1600 = 4pm for those not military minded
Fafhred 26th Apr 2017, 2:31 AM edit delete reply

Depends where you live; many countries are on 24H clock rather than an AM/PM clock.

Here for instance, 16:00 would be the normal way to express what you would call 4PM.
Just_IDD 26th Apr 2017, 8:43 AM edit delete reply
Its not military time. I would also add that in the US all police, ems and likely hospital records are kept in 24h clock notation to remove any ambiguity about when a particular event occurred. every place with a ticketing system, time clocks can be set that way too.

Its yet another of the archaic forms and processes that we still use in the United States while everybody else has moved on like the metric system and daylight savings time. That last one nearly everyone, I've asked, dislikes. I can't imagine how much productivity is lost by the entire nation being groggy twice a year for a few days.

The military uses a 24 hour clock but there is no requirement that it matches the timezone where you are located or even that it is based on a particular timezone.
Sheela 26th Apr 2017, 12:16 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, here in Denmark, the 24 hour notation is standard.

And the AM/PM is just .. weird.
megados 26th Apr 2017, 12:35 PM edit delete reply
AM and PM are weird, but changing the time twice a year is weirder! Some states, at least, came to their senses and quit doing that.
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 1:39 PM edit delete reply
In Europe (or at least some parts of it), while official/public communications, day planners etc. generally use 24 hour clocks, AM/PM is still pretty common in casual speech. I don't think this will change any time soon, since traditional 12-hour clock dials are still prevalent for most wall clocks, watches, and many alarm clocks.

Also, the DST idiocy is present in almost all of Europe, and it doesn't look like this is about to change :-(

Totally agreed on units of measurement, though. If nothing else, that alone justifies the French Revolution ;-)
Deoxy 26th Apr 2017, 1:57 PM edit delete reply
DST stands for Daylight STUPID Time, and is among the most idiotic things ever to come out of the US Congress (and yes, I do know how high a bar that is). It only makes sense if you don't understand the function of time-keeping to begin with.
SeanR 26th Apr 2017, 2:09 PM edit delete reply
Huh. I thought DST started in Germany.
Dragonrider 26th Apr 2017, 3:07 PM edit delete reply

Actually DST came from a Founding Father, one Benjamin Franklin. Yep Ben Franklin that damn near got throw out of France as our Ambassador for "Behavior Unbecoming a Gentleman".
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 4:24 PM edit delete reply
That's mostly an urban legend. (According to Wikipedia at least...) While he did (anonymously) propose tongue-in-cheek measures to get Parisians to get up earlier in the morning, he didn't actually propose screwing with clocks.
Sheela 26th Apr 2017, 5:48 PM edit delete reply

@megados : Argh, dammit ... typo has been corrected from 34 to 24. >_<
megados 26th Apr 2017, 6:25 PM edit delete reply
It's all good, @Sheela! :)
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 7:48 PM edit delete reply
@Sheela oh, so now you are ret-conning you comments? What's next? Will you go about removing all mention of eggs?... ;-)
Sheela 27th Apr 2017, 1:57 AM edit delete reply

... what eggs ?
Rashala 26th Apr 2017, 3:06 AM edit delete reply

Darn it I wanted to see Lynn get home the hugging and then the spilling of centys little secret and subsequent flogging!!!!


Well may still be coming.
HiFranc 26th Apr 2017, 3:44 AM edit delete reply

I can't help but wonder how much of Noctis's desire for her sword is to protect Acantha and how much it is simply to feel whole again.
megados 26th Apr 2017, 9:22 AM edit delete reply
My guess would be that she feels that there is something missing. She is formidable without it, but it is something she always has with her. She also probably feels she would be a better protector with it, but that might be a secondary concern.
Just_IDD 26th Apr 2017, 8:51 AM edit delete reply
As Florence puts it you need to wait for the patient to wake up to assess them. It precisely isn't rocket science, which is physics.
Just_IDD 26th Apr 2017, 8:51 AM edit delete reply
As Florence puts it you need to wait for the patient to wake up to assess them. It precisely isn't rocket science, which is physics.
Sheela 26th Apr 2017, 12:17 PM edit delete reply

It's less physics, and more chemistry.
All the Pickles 26th Apr 2017, 6:11 PM edit delete reply

There's a whole lot of physics in rocket science as well. You need chemistry to get the right fuel mixtures, but then you need to deal with fuel flow, combustion chamber design, heat management, vibration dampening, aerodynamics, etc. There's a lot more to it than putting the right chemicals together to get thrust.
Sheela 27th Apr 2017, 1:58 AM edit delete reply

I meant anasthesis ... it's more chemistry than physics.
Thundarl 26th Apr 2017, 9:54 AM edit delete reply

I remember awaking to having several tubes down my throat and being unable to talk. Boy, was I ever thirsty! I had to wait a couple of hours before they removed them. Had a scar down my center chest because they'd stapled my ribcage back together and glued my chest shut. It's been almost 2 years since my surgery 27 May 2015. I enjoy life a lot more now with this chance.
Tokyo Rose 26th Apr 2017, 6:39 PM edit delete reply

Cent has similar memories, and a similar scar. Zipper club!
Sheela 27th Apr 2017, 1:59 AM edit delete reply

Oh man, imagine having a zipper in your chest ?

You could scar young kids for life with something like that!!
Thundarl 26th Apr 2017, 10:00 AM edit delete reply

With her speed even a shinai practice sword would someone's clock.
SeanR 26th Apr 2017, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
Legend has it that Miyamoto Musashi would duel with nothing but a wooden practice sword. He killed his foes by striking them in a particular spot and angle on the shoulder, driving bone shards down into the heart.

Imagine facing purportedly the best swordsman in a duel, he shows up late, charging out of the surf while shouting, and he's only armed with a WOODEN sword.
megados 26th Apr 2017, 11:32 AM edit delete reply
Noctis doesn't absolutely need a sword; she has hidden blades under her fingernails, and I believe, a couple at her wrists. She is hardly defenseless.
Deoxy 26th Apr 2017, 2:01 PM edit delete reply
As I understand it (from a friend who studied the history), that's not legendary, there was an actual incident where it happened (it was actually an oar, sanded down to basic sword shape, and no special striking technique or anything).

And really, you don't have to have any special knowledge or hit some special place... a large blunt object is quite sufficient without any of that. Heck, a good solid hit to the head can do it.
Gilrandir 27th Apr 2017, 2:17 AM edit delete reply
Given the focus of the Japanese culture on honor, it might be even worse, though, if he failed to show up at all, rather than merely being late, drunk, and wielding a weapon lacking honorable history. If you were so unworthy he didn't even bother to show up, then you might be forced to commit seppuku, and then imagine the Variety headline afterwards ...

"GORE IN NO SHOW". ^_^
Centcomm 27th Apr 2017, 1:56 AM edit delete reply

Thats rather terrifying.
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 1:44 PM edit delete reply
Wherever they are, Lynn does seem to feel at home, considering her attire ;-)
notStanley 26th Apr 2017, 3:56 PM edit delete reply
SnowGirl is pale enough, without that second panel standing in a spotlight surrounded by shadows :}
antrik 26th Apr 2017, 4:29 PM edit delete reply
She just wanted to accentuate her unique features... ;-)
jamie59 26th Apr 2017, 7:04 PM edit delete reply

Bet Noctis would rather be naked with insulting things written all over her than have her sword out of reach.
Haegan2005 26th Apr 2017, 8:19 PM edit delete reply

I suspect you are right.
Boren 26th Apr 2017, 8:24 PM edit delete reply
The Nurse reminds me of A.R.E.S. or perhaps I've just been playing a little too much New Vegas lol
Romfire 26th Apr 2017, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
My father goes in for open heart surgery on the 11th of May. They say he has an 80% chance to live through it.
Gilrandir 27th Apr 2017, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
Best wishes to you and your family. I hope all goes as well as possible for him and for you.
Centcomm 27th Apr 2017, 1:55 AM edit delete reply

I hope he has the same care and luck i had .. ill be holding a prayer for him :D
KarToon12 26th Apr 2017, 11:46 PM edit delete reply

And cue the part where Acantha wakes up with amnesia.

Also weird to see Noctis in normal clothes. XD
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