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Comic 1563 - Teleconferencing

8th Nov 2017, 12:00 AM
Teleconferencing
Average Rating: 5 (17 votes)

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Centcomm 8th Nov 2017, 12:33 AM edit delete
Centcomm
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KarToon12 8th Nov 2017, 12:05 AM edit delete reply

Gotta' love the bottom left corner there. Now THAT is how you tele-conference---lounging on a fancy couch, rockin' your sexiest outfit. ;)
Centcomm 8th Nov 2017, 12:35 AM edit delete reply

think of it as a face book page.. :D
antrik 8th Nov 2017, 5:30 PM edit delete reply
That, madame, is not a couch -- it's a chaise longue!
Fairportfan 9th Nov 2017, 4:09 AM edit delete reply

...and spelt correctly, too!
Just_IDD 13th Nov 2017, 9:23 AM edit delete reply
Well it certainly isn't a chaste lounge the way she's doing it. Of course it is a power move on her part.
guest 8th Nov 2017, 12:30 AM edit delete reply
ok.. i count at least 11 senators,, 8 in panel 1, an 6 in panel 4,, of which 3 stayed the same...
Centcomm 8th Nov 2017, 12:34 AM edit delete reply

Some of them are using profile pics .. they dont move. :D
guest 8th Nov 2017, 11:43 AM edit delete reply
that i have seen... only two stayed the same..
in panel 1 , screen 2, two females, one in white
screen 4, behind word bubble, the doctor
screen 7, man with hand on forehead..
in panel 4 , woman in white is now closer to camera,, other 2 did not move.. an the other 3 went from symbols to avatars ..
an yes Doctor = Setorius ,, an hand on head = senator Calavius..
megados 8th Nov 2017, 12:47 AM edit delete reply
Typical bureaucrats. If I imagine the effort that Maxus had to make to arrange the conference, he certainly has to be questioning whether it was worth it. Maybe now he knows what it's like herding cats! :D

Scene change! It's good to see Maxus and Tennyo again. Great page, you guys!
DLKmusic 8th Nov 2017, 1:35 AM edit delete reply

Herding cats is easy! Herding Senators is HARD!

State funeral is good policy though. Even for th Decimus Haters, they can now say good riddance along with good bye
MirrorField 8th Nov 2017, 2:13 AM edit delete reply
Indeed. Decimus *was* the imperator, as poor and deviant as he may have been. He's now safely dead and you might as well milk the formal ceremonies for propaganda- and pacification value. Good opportunity for Acantha to cement her position as the next imperator in the view of The People too.
megados 8th Nov 2017, 10:15 AM edit delete reply
I agree. The funeral would also be a good release for people on both sides. The Decimus haters would have cause to cheer, while Katya, (being the only one I can think of) would have a chance to mourn 'Dezmis'.

*edit: Also, what about Amalthea? Wasn't she also one of the sisters?
antrik 8th Nov 2017, 5:32 PM edit delete reply
You think they'd fly her in for that?...

I'm also not so sure it would be an occasion for cheer -- I'd rather expect outrage...

(At least another riot seems unlikely, due to lack of active personnel remaining ;-) )
Sheela 8th Nov 2017, 5:47 PM edit delete reply

At least Katya is away and safe now.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering which of those senators, was the riot leader.
Y'know, the one that called Marcus "Two-cells" ?
antrik 8th Nov 2017, 5:55 PM edit delete reply
Huh? What makes you think it was one of the Senators?...
megados 8th Nov 2017, 11:44 PM edit delete reply
@Sheela, you think it was one of the senators? Do tell! ;)
DLKmusic 9th Nov 2017, 12:46 AM edit delete reply

Actually, @Antrick and @megados, I think Sheela's on to something. The rebel leader knew about the contingencies, even though they weren't common knowledge. That would imply that he/she knew Decimus personally.
megados 9th Nov 2017, 1:19 AM edit delete reply
That's a very good point. I hadn't thought of that. It's certainly plausible.:D
Centcomm 9th Nov 2017, 10:54 PM edit delete reply

Interesting ..isnt it..
megados 13th Nov 2017, 7:20 PM edit delete reply
Yes, very. :D
Fairportfan 9th Nov 2017, 4:14 AM edit delete reply

It's said that five thousand people attended Louis B Mayer's funeral.

In response to a comment that someone was amazed that he had so many friends, Samuel Goldwyn said they weren't friends - they were just there to reassure themselves that the bastard was actually dead.
megados 9th Nov 2017, 8:49 PM edit delete reply
He's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead! :D
Sheela 9th Nov 2017, 10:15 PM edit delete reply

My main reason for thinking that the riot-leader is one of the senators, is that she/he was just too damn well informed.

Also, natural leaders are fairly rare, and they will have a natural tendency to rise to positions of leadership, such as ... a senator.

As for a state funeral, in times of uncertainty, keeping old traditions may signal structure and leadership is still intact, and may calm the people down. Nothing worse than mob rule while you're trying to calm things down. >_<

It would also be a good way to signal leadership change ... aka Acantha for Queen ! :)
megados 9th Nov 2017, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
Those are good points, and they make sense. Well worth keeping an eye out for!

I agree that the funeral should be held. A number of good reasons have been given throughout the comments, and following their custom would be a good outlet after the upheaval.
cattservant 8th Nov 2017, 1:32 AM edit delete reply

Form must be followed.
Besides, the People need a good diversion!
Sheela 9th Nov 2017, 10:18 PM edit delete reply

.... I read that as "Porn must be followed." and I was wondering why this post wasn't made by Tokyo Rose ! :D

Reading comprehension .. it's important.
megados 10th Nov 2017, 10:07 AM edit delete reply
At least we kinda know where Sheela's head is at . . .. XD
chk 10th Nov 2017, 4:06 PM edit delete reply

She's our special little puppy.
Sheela 11th Nov 2017, 11:04 PM edit delete reply

Others say I keep my head in the gutter, but that's not true !

I keep my head close to the ground, that way I can better bite people's ankles - It's a tactical choice!
Timotheus 8th Nov 2017, 2:22 AM edit delete reply

Somehow I'm reminded of Scrooge's funeral in the musical version of a Christmas Carol.
Fairportfan 9th Nov 2017, 12:55 PM edit delete reply

"Thank you very much..."?
megados 9th Nov 2017, 8:44 PM edit delete reply
"That's the nicest thing that anyone's ever done for me"
mjkj 8th Nov 2017, 3:39 AM edit delete reply

Wow, quite the topic there...

Well, I would argue that douchie was not Emperor/Imperator, but an ursuper... - ...and as such does not deserve a state funeral - just cremate him (done) and cast the leftovers out - but Kali is a different matter...



Just_IDD 8th Nov 2017, 8:45 AM edit delete reply
Technically Decimus wasn't an usurper. He was the eldest child. Valerius had not publicly made his preference know prior to his death therefore it had no weight. The Senate therefore confirmed Deadimus as Imperitor that makes him eligible for the state funeral. Though a new tradition could be brought into play -- the somber wearing of colorful party hats.
mjkj 8th Nov 2017, 4:28 PM edit delete reply

Ah, Just_IDD, yeah, true, if the senate approved of him...
Fairportfan 9th Nov 2017, 12:56 PM edit delete reply

The Senate approved him.

Whether or not it approved OF him is a different matter.
Hornet 8th Nov 2017, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
Think of it as a dance where failure to follow the forms will have disastrous results. The individual doesn't matter but that the authority (government / aristocracy) appears unbiased and indiscriminate does.
Hornet 8th Nov 2017, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
Think of it as a dance where failure to follow the forms will have disastrous results. The individual doesn't matter but that the authority (government / aristocracy) appears unbiased and indiscriminate does.
megados 8th Nov 2017, 10:08 AM edit delete reply
Deserving or not, and as distasteful as it may seem, if he was ratified by the Senate, Decimus was Imperator, and if not, then no. If he was, then decorum dictates they hold the funeral.

Kali deserves far more, but I doubt she will receive the honors she is due.

Also, the somber wearing of colorful party hats is intriguing.
Gilrandir 8th Nov 2017, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
What honors is it you believe Kali is due?

For all of her unfortunate circumstances and the extenuating reasons which brought it about, Kali was the chief instrument and executor of Decimus' reign of terror. The populace of Nova Roma, in my opinion, should have little reason to regard her with any respect or affection -- so she is due little from them. Her chief efforts on their behalf were probably simply to curb the worst of Decimus' excesses -- which is the kind of thing most easily overlooked.

In all likelihood, the most heartfelt and appropriate remembrance for Kali will be likely to come in relative private from her peers, the other Cassians, even though I suspect she was not universally liked or understood even among them. But that's just my guess.
megados 8th Nov 2017, 1:46 PM edit delete reply
It's only my opinion, but I believe that Kali does deserve more than the distinction of being Decimus' instrument. She was in a position where she had little choice. By Core Purpose, and by inhibitor, she was compelled to obey.

She did try to blunt some of his policies, and try to keep him as loosely reined in as she was able, and when the final moments came, and she was released by the inhibitor, and was able to make her own choice, she decided to end Decimus' reign of terror at the cost of her own life. IMO, that deserves remembrance and honor.

One might argue that she did so without taking the Contingencies into account (or despite them), but her act was one of despair, and with all of her being, she wanted to end Decimus. Regardless of her exact motivation, people should realize that Kali played an instrumental part in the ending of his regime. That is why she will probably not get the recognition she deserves.
xpacetrue 8th Nov 2017, 4:39 PM edit delete reply

"What honors is it you believe Kali is due?"

It is only my opinion, but:

I do sympathize with Kali. She was dealt a very unfair hand. She was compelled to be Decimus's instrument - she had no choice.

That said, I don't believe Kali deserves any respect or accolades, least of all from the citizens of Nova Roma. Why? Because she willfully chose to kill Decimus, despite knowing the certainty that she would doom all the people of Nova Roma - and many people beyond - to armageddon.

Decimus is certainly to blame. But - and I don't care what others say - that does not make Kali blameless.

Granted, Decimus's contingencies ended up not killing anyone. However, that was a one-in-a-million freak accident of fate and circumstance. It was thanks to Ceci and to Rose's quick thinking that it worked out to a happy ending. If anyone deserves the respect and praise of Roma's citizens, it would be them.

Kali had every reason to believe everyone would die. In terms of respect and accolades, intent is everything. If someone ended up doing the right thing or did something heroic purely out of self-interest or by accident, then they are undeserving of praise.
megados 8th Nov 2017, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
I appear to be in the minority here. On the face of it, I can understand the position that Kali is undeserving of any honors. On the surface, she put everyone in danger, and luck prevented that from happening.

On another level, though, Kali was tormented by the opposing directives which, even as we first meet her here, she is already almost being driven to madness by her circumstances. Kali was becoming unstable and desperate, and it showed in this scene, where she gives a glimpse of how much she despises what things have become.

In short, Decimus' reign drove her mad, and her final desperate decision was filled with nothing more than ending him. She wasn't thinking of contingencies, or people, or anything else. I can't fully condemn her final decision, because she was somewhat mentally unstable and not rational by then.

But yeah, my opinion is in the minority.
DLKmusic 9th Nov 2017, 12:19 AM edit delete reply

Actually, Megados, I think even Kali would disagree with you on this point. Her final words were "As a final service I will escort you to the Gates of Tarterus".

I'm to lazy to go back and get an exact quote, but that certainly implies that if she thought there was a hell, she would be going there for the end results of her final action.
megados 9th Nov 2017, 1:15 AM edit delete reply
The whole sequence is right after he stabs Acantha and begins here, and your reference is here. To me, she seems completely centered on killing him, to the point where nothing else mattered.

I do admit it can be taken a number of ways.
DLKmusic 9th Nov 2017, 2:58 AM edit delete reply

While I agree that Kali was focused on taking out Decimus, Her final statement I couldn't help but read as a variant of "I may be going to hell for this, but I'm taking you with me".
megados 9th Nov 2017, 9:11 PM edit delete reply
I translated it in a very similar way, but I guess I interpreted her meaning differently. "I'm sending you to hell, and I'm making certain you get there" :D
DLKmusic 9th Nov 2017, 10:20 PM edit delete reply

lol, if Dante's vision of hell is accurate, Then Satan would appoint Kali to be Decimus's Eternal Tormentor. That's a thought that is worth invisioning!
megados 9th Nov 2017, 11:08 PM edit delete reply
H'oh! Yes, absolutely yes! Perfect; all conditions met! :D
guest 8th Nov 2017, 8:52 PM edit delete reply
i wood say a "cop/fireman." type funeral .. semi private ,, the one's there care, everybody else is oh ok,, blah...
sigpig 8th Nov 2017, 1:11 PM edit delete reply

A State Funeral is for the position of Head of State - not necessarily the individual that holds the position...
Sheela 9th Nov 2017, 10:25 PM edit delete reply

Ah, so they could just have chopped off his head and given it a state funeral, and then drop his body in a dump ? :D

And technically, Decimus *was* an ursurper, he killed the old monarch to gain the throne.
Gilrandir 12th Nov 2017, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
Killing the monarch to gain the throne is a time-honored method of accession. ^_^

Technically, depending on your Constitution (or lack thereof) one can be both a usurper and the legitimate monarch. And, as has been pointed out before, Decimus was confirmed by the Senate.
Speedy 8th Nov 2017, 4:04 AM edit delete reply
Now, when I die, don't think that I'm a nut.
Don't want no fancy funeral, just one like old King Tut.

https://app.schooltube.com/video/8d08949dc5534ca591ca/King%20TUT%20-%20SNL
Highlander 8th Nov 2017, 8:33 AM edit delete reply
I am wondering if Setorius may be put off with the heart she is receiving at New Troy? Could there be storm clouds brewing once Athena is back home and he finds out? Just seems a logical story track.
Hornet 8th Nov 2017, 10:05 AM edit delete reply
Isn't the clone heart going to be an exact copy of her original? If so how would he find out?
Deoxy 8th Nov 2017, 1:09 PM edit delete reply
The plan is for them to clone her heart and give that to her LATER (after it grows). The one she just received is synthetic.
Hornet 8th Nov 2017, 5:57 PM edit delete reply
True, But I wasn't thinking that she'd be in Nova Roma until after the clone is implanted and recovery complete.
antrik 8th Nov 2017, 5:42 PM edit delete reply
@Highlander why would he? It seems an unlogical sentiment -- and from what we've seen so far, Setorious seems to have little respect for that sort of thing...
Sheela 8th Nov 2017, 5:52 PM edit delete reply

I don't think he would be opposed to how they treat her wounds.
He tends to be a pragmatic person, first and foremost.

I don't think he would mind the synthetic heart, as long as it is temporary, and not permanent.
Highlander 9th Nov 2017, 11:09 PM edit delete reply
I was talking about the cloned heart. It not being or having the "Purity" level they may proscribe in New Roma.
Sheela 10th Nov 2017, 4:49 AM edit delete reply

I would doubt that the heart would be an issue.
A bigger risk would be brain washing.
Highlander 9th Nov 2017, 11:09 PM edit delete reply
I was talking about the cloned heart. It not being or having the "Purity" level they may proscribe in New Roma.
el848484 8th Nov 2017, 10:22 AM edit delete reply
Really like the way the Senators show up one by one. Is there one on the Moon?
chk 8th Nov 2017, 11:15 AM edit delete reply

A state funeral will lend some legitimacy to Acantha's rule for those citizens not aware of the extent of the monster clown's depravity.

A sort of 'The King is dead. Long live the Queen.' will indicate an actual turnover rather than Acantha just showing up as the ruler.
Sheela 9th Nov 2017, 10:27 PM edit delete reply

I agree.

It will also give some structure to a troubled time by following tradition.
Not to mention a bity of closure for the people. It's over, it's done, the end of a gun.
Siren 8th Nov 2017, 2:06 PM edit delete reply
It would be a bad idea to skip the traditional ceremony for Deck's funeral: he died after an attack on the palace by an rebel group aided by a foreign military power. I doubt Deck's supporters know the extra special details, and I doubt they'd believe them.

Regardless of what Deck deserves, skipping official state funeral will only make Acantha's rule look less legitimate if not outright suspicious, and could further destabilize the country.
xpacetrue 8th Nov 2017, 4:29 PM edit delete reply

Why does it feel like the aftermath of the rioting was glossed over? I have questions, like:

* Did the Senate even discuss the legitimacy of Maxus's continued title as General. (Remember, Decimus did accuse Maxus of something or other and had him replaced.)

* Did Maxus (or anyone, really) decide to withhold the fact that Decimus was dead, believing such news would prolong or exasperate the rioting? Or, did they decide to immediately release this fact, believing it would help resolve the rioting and knowing that it would get out, regardless? (Arguably, many Romans, the rioters in particular, would rejoice knowing he was dead... Assuming, of course, that it was also made known that they believe the contingencies were overridden!)

* Did Maxus order his forces to attempt to resolve what was left of the rioters without undue bloodshed? Was there any specific order to this effect? Did he give his forces any incentive towards this? Any at all?

Some of these may be assumed. But, personally, I think it'd be nice to hear the answers as canon.
antrik 8th Nov 2017, 5:54 PM edit delete reply
Decimus was actually unable to replace Maxus legally, which is why he wanted him assassinated instead. (See "Nos morituri te salutamus...", presently at http://datachasers.thecomicseries.com/comics/1201 ) Since Maxus refused to die though, he gets to keep his position...

BTW, most people didn't even know of the Contingencies AIUI?

More generally, I have confidence in the ability of the creators to reveal all the important events in due course :-)
Sheela 9th Nov 2017, 10:29 PM edit delete reply

Some say that tuna was involved!
Or possibly even Smoked Salon !!

... we may never know if the hatchet was buried in the back, or the front yard.
xpacetrue 10th Nov 2017, 2:52 AM edit delete reply

"...most people didn't even know of the Contingencies AIUI?"

I'm not sure. However, we do know that at least some of the rebels were aware of them. In particular, I remember the scene where Teedee, Ada and Dolly run into Maxus and Noctis after rescuing Acantha and Lynn. When Teedee informed Noctis and Maxus that Decimus was dead, the Rebels who had formed an alliance with Maxus and were connected to Noctis' communications overheard this and they freaked the hell out because they knew of the contingencies. One of them exclaimed something to the effect that they wanted to make a statement, not doom everyone.
Sheela 10th Nov 2017, 4:52 AM edit delete reply

Hrm .. that could be a reference to the Cassians and Praetorians under Decimus' rule.
antrik 10th Nov 2017, 10:30 AM edit delete reply
@xpacetrue the page is "Scheduled Apocalypse" (presently at http://datachasers.thecomicseries.com/comics/1419 ) -- however, it's not at all clear whether she already knew of the contingencies; or learned of them only now, like Marcus; or her outrage doesn't even refer to this aspect at all...
megados 10th Nov 2017, 11:38 AM edit delete reply
I had thought that the "freakout" was because she knew of the contingencies, but this does raise a specter of doubt; it could have been just a general "freakout" because of the general shit hitting the general fan due to Decimus' demise.

However . . . Tokyo Rose addresses the contingencies directly following her outburst, implying that they were no doubt what the freakout was about. (Its so easy to overanalyze these things!) XD
Sheela 10th Nov 2017, 1:06 PM edit delete reply

Why are you throwing generals at the poor fan ?

Did they misbehave ?
megados 10th Nov 2017, 7:04 PM edit delete reply
That was the poor fan? Oops, I thought that was the general fan. My bad! >_<

They didn't misbehave that badly, but you gotta keep 'em in line! :D
Sheela 11th Nov 2017, 11:02 PM edit delete reply

Sooo .. no smoking, no drinking and NO misbehaving ?

Poor generals, they don't get to have much fun - Just War, war, war, teatime, war war war !
It must be fightfully exhausting!
Ebonbolt 14th Nov 2017, 12:29 PM edit delete reply

@Sheela: it's war, war, teatime, war, plan a war, war, plan contingencies in case of war, war, report on war, request funding (for tools of war), war, sit through an awards ceremony, war, paperwork (i.e. bureaucratic war), war, oversee training (for war), war, defend budget (i.e. political war), war.
Centcomm 14th Nov 2017, 7:01 PM edit delete reply

heh you guys are awesome .. :D
Sheela 15th Nov 2017, 6:22 PM edit delete reply

WELL !!

... I think they need more teatime!
Then maybe we'd have a little less war. *sage nod*
Matt 8th Nov 2017, 10:28 PM edit delete reply
"I come to bury Decimus, not to praise him."
DLKmusic 9th Nov 2017, 12:50 AM edit delete reply

Well said, Matt!
Rashala 9th Nov 2017, 3:45 AM edit delete reply

You know there are two saying I know that seem to fit here.


One with slight alteration. Politics, politics never changes. ( replaced war with politic)


And. The two oldest professions in the world are prostitution and politics, and the only difference is in the former, the people knew up front they were gonna be screwed.



This is merely my thought on all the bickering I am hearing from the lunacomm conference call and nothing else.
Fafhred 9th Nov 2017, 9:15 AM edit delete reply

Are there actually any remains left to bury?
Last I remember, there was just a skeleton, and still burning.
Being still burning due to Kali's self-destruct device suggest a temperature suitable for incineration, which would probably be required as a self-destruct device.

It seems likely that anything left in the end would be ashes, and I do not expect that anybody would have stopped to collect them.
Hornet 9th Nov 2017, 10:07 AM edit delete reply
Plenty of Funerals are held for empty caskets.
antrik 9th Nov 2017, 12:51 PM edit delete reply
@Fafhred a detail of Cassians has been dispatched to secure, among other things, his remains. (See "It Makes A Difference", presently at http://datachasers.thecomicseries.com/comics/1428 )

It's not like they could just leave the filth lying there in the corridor... ;-)
Centcomm 9th Nov 2017, 7:00 PM edit delete reply

Not all of kali's endo skeletal remains were creamated.

The prince was reduced to crispy skeletonized remains and chunky bits of carbon.
Rashala 9th Nov 2017, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

Here is how I imagine the funeral.


Maxus stands beside acantha holding the urn of decks ashes


Acantha walks forward and undoing the lid upends it into the royal toilet a few taps then pulls the chain and with a flawooosh deck is gone.
Centcomm 9th Nov 2017, 10:13 PM edit delete reply

LOLOL!
Fafhred 9th Nov 2017, 11:50 PM edit delete reply

Gives a whole new meaning to 'I will piss on your grave' xD
Sheela 10th Nov 2017, 4:52 AM edit delete reply

Katya is very confused, she always pissed on Decimus .. he seemed to like it ?
antrik 10th Nov 2017, 10:34 AM edit delete reply
@Sheela and how would *you* know of that, ahem, "juicy" tidbit?...
megados 10th Nov 2017, 11:44 AM edit delete reply
Amalthea must have told her ;)
Sheela 10th Nov 2017, 1:05 PM edit delete reply

My sense of smell is most acute ... and he reeked !!
knuut 11th Nov 2017, 7:05 PM edit delete reply
I performed almost exactly that ritual on an abusive uncle of mine. It was MOST satisfying!
Sheela 12th Nov 2017, 7:17 AM edit delete reply

Ah .. you watered the plants on his grave ?

Such dedication! :D
Just_IDD 13th Nov 2017, 9:49 AM edit delete reply
Closed casket funerals are a thing. Usually they are open so that people can see they are really dead or so that they can see their loved ones one last time. Although I prefer not to go to funerals because I like to remember the person alive as opposed to the waxy visage of a powdered corpse.
Timotheus 14th Nov 2017, 4:11 AM edit delete reply

I have this strange feeling of deja-vu
Andy 14th Nov 2017, 1:01 PM edit delete reply
@Centcomm - what went wrong with the electricity?
Centcomm 14th Nov 2017, 7:00 PM edit delete reply

the breakers failed catastrophically. that is fixed now. NOW we have to call a plumber because the kitchen sinks are clogged. FML!
Andy 17th Nov 2017, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
Unfortunately I don't have the building skilz to fix your lighthouse ;-) but if we were on the same area of planet I might have been able to fix the electricity - and/or the blocked sink. Sadly there is a wet bit in the way.

Still, I can't draw anything that looks like it is meant to be no matter how I try. I sorta want to push the pencil through the paper to draw 3-d objects...
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